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    Another new member...

    Current happy owner of a 2011 911 Turbo S coupe with the recurrence of the dreaded disease: car ADD.

    Really looking at getting the 2014 R8 V10 Spyder vs new 911 Turbo cab vs. AM Vantage Roadster.

    Tell me why I should get the V10 Spyder!

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    Re: Another new member...

    All three are great cars! I always tell people to buy the car that they like.
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    Re: Another new member...

    I don't work for Audi, so test drive them all - should be (more) obvious after that.
    With that list, can't really go very wrong it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaneS@macarbon.com View Post
    All three are great cars! I always tell people to buy the car that they like.
    That's the problem...I like them all. I'm going to drive the AM Vantage Roadster this weekend. I'm assuming that the new 991 version of the 911 TT Cab will drive similarly to my current 911 TT-S. The V8 R8 I drove last night was very impressive.

    All I know is that after 3 years with the flawless and impressive dual clutch Porsche PDK, I am definitely ditching it and going back to 3 pedals...

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    I am NOT a roadster guy, but I do own an R8 V10 6 sp and an Aston Martin V12 Vantage 6 spd. I have also owned a V8 Vantage Coupe.

    Two very different cars. It really depends on what you are looking for in a car.

    The R8 is a mid-rear engined. You get everything that comes with that. It feels very modern. You sit closer to the front wheels. You have a fantastic view of the road. The steering is direct.

    It is quiet in the cabin. The engine note is more mechanical, higher pitched. You don't hear any deep exhaust. This is an engine you want to rev. Keep it above 4000rpms, that's the joy. Run it out to 8500, feel the surge. Amazing thing that motor. At lower revs its very docile, this is not a torque monster, but it has surge.

    It has a version of "quatro", but this car is basically RWD. Very benign on the track. It lets you know where the edge is. The R8 wants to make you a hero.

    I LOVE the gated manual. It is a joy to shift. The clutch is light enough for traffic. A real treat.

    The fit and finish is both great and not so great. Everything works amazing, gauges etc are where they should be. The seats and the leather are so so. The plastic inside the car is not good, it feels cheap at this price. Tap it, tap the knobs etc. and you will feel a hollow feel. For me it was a huge let down and an oddity considering Audi has a history of awesome interiors. This all disappears once you start to drive.

    The grilles at the front and side look cheap, more Mazda 3 than Exotic.

    As a daily driver/real world car, the R8 is a curious mix. It is incredibly civil. It's never really feels too low (for an exotic). It is great in traffic. Never bothersome, never heavy to use, you have great vision etc. I have even driven it in 8" of snow, without any issue. By every measure it succeeds as a DD.

    But... There is no real storage. The doors are sooo big, so heavy. Not great for tight parking. The storage at the front gets VERY hot have recorded 132F after a drive to work.

    Overall the R8 is an amazing car. It feels exotic, but a little mass produced at the same time. The car has an exotic shell, but it is very comfortable. If you want your car to scare you, this is not the car for you. The R8 has incredible power, but it has been designed to keep it in check. On the track, this was comforting. It meant I could concentrate.

    I am glad I own this car. I do want it to be a little more visceral though. Perhaps a GT is more for me.

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    Aston is a very different brand to Audi. It's more tactile, more about materials and experiences.

    The cars are more traditional in layout, though they really aren't old fashioned front engine cars, more front mid-engined. They have a rear transaxle to move the weight back. As a result the packaging and dynamics are different to the R8.

    The Aston has cartoon windows. The proportions are of a larger car that has been shrunk in size. Its actually much smaller than you think.

    You sit very low. You peer out over a long hood that ends "somewhere". It's all very dramatic. Vision is good, though not like the R8. You need to be aware of the cars size and edges.

    The V8 is. Great motor, but not on par with the R8's V10. They both lack immediate torque though. The V12 is closer to the R8, so I will use it as the base.

    The V12 loves to spool up. You get to the 6500 rpm limit quicker than you think. It has more immediate punch than the R8. Not better, but different. It is also a ferocious engine. Loud and deep. It feels like mayhem, more vocal, more visceral.

    The V12 Vantage has the better steering (though the R8 is impeccable). Just awesome and far better than a 991 Porsche. In fact all the controls are top rate. The ceramic brakes are fantastic. Never grabby, i find my R8 a little grabby, I am going to change pads and see what that does (steel rotors). Even when they are not hot, they work fine.

    The V12 lacks the magnetic ride in the R8 so it never feels as supple. This does not bother me at all, as a result everything is just hungry. This is less true of the V8 Vantage. I do love how the V12 feels on the road. It is raw, it looks like a GT, but it drives like it is looking to release mayhem.

    When you put your foot into the V12 it is ALIVE. The rear end will step out, it makes getting milk exciting. The Aston wants to make you Epic. It will let you make glorious mistakes. The magic of the V12 is how very choice adds up to a magical whole, it is an experience. The R8 is a more effective tool. It is an instrument, but he V12 Vantage is a symphony. It is equally about experience as it is effeciveness.

    On the tack the V12 rewards an experienced driver. The V8 was less intimidating and more akin to the R8. It was exciting and rewarding. Surprising too.

    The interior feels more bespoke. Only Bentley does a job that is on par or better. The materials are better, the seats are better, but the ergonomics are not as good. I do love the sense of occasion.

    The sound of the car is EPIC!!!!!! I wish Audi would learn more about exhaust tuning.

    The V12 Vantage is also a curious mix as a Daily Driver. It has a more classic layout, so it works well day to day. You have storage, you have space. But the front spoiler is very low. You must be careful. The paint is soft. The car is more difficult to drive day to day. It's not a car you feel comfortable leaving in places you would not think twice about leaving an R8.

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    People seem to love both cars with equal passion. They go one way or the other. I love them both.
    Both cars get better as you drive them. You fall in love with them.

    Think about what you want out of your car. Drive them. Do a task in them you would normally do, parking, traffic etc.

    Nice problem to have.
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    Re: Another new member...

    BP ^^. I greatly enjoyed your synopsis. Thanks,
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    WOW. BlackPenguin that is a very insightful bit of writing. Thank you for sharing with us!
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    Nice blackpengiun, really enjoyed that


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    Have owned an R8 5.2 and currently own a V12V. Soooo.........yeah, what BP said!

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    Nice reviews, Barry. Thanks for sharing.
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