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    R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    Just picked up a 2010 R8 (V10) Coupe this weekend and had a few questions;

    *Engine cover - Spacing gaps - Intentional? In order to lift the engine cover on the coupe, it appears as though there is intentional space (hence allowing the cover to fully open) that is not 100% sealed so rain cannot enter? Maybe my failing eye-sight (at 47), but has anyone else noticed or am simply wrong? As my wife frequently points out, if maybe the latter..

    *Traction control - Having owner multiple Porsche products, I rarely (other than "testing" days) switched off the Porsche Stability Management System. Given the R8 HP, how much true difference in feel and or under/over-stear has anyone experienced?

    Thanks so much

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    Re: R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    Can you post a picture of the spacing gap you're talking about?

    Rain can enter anyway through the ventilation gaps, or water could splash up through the bottom.

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    Re: R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    not sure about the engine cover part, but the traction control on the R8's is a 2 stage traction control press it once and it gives u race mode which will let u slide the car around a bit but it will intervene if the computer feels like the car is slipping alot, hold the button for 3 seconds and u enter stage 2 which will take off traction completely and if Im not mistaken u will also lose ABS in this mode.

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    Re: R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by sapien View Post
    Can you post a picture of the spacing gap you're talking about?

    Rain can enter anyway through the ventilation gaps, or water could splash up through the bottom.
    and when it snows, snow will blow in and drift on your engine
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    Re: R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by willyjp View Post
    and when it snows, snow will blow in and drift on your engine
    I love it when that happens. It's like having a really big snow globe.
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    Re: R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    Thank you very much - You absolutely clarified my question and the only real gaps/spacing I see (now) are with the vents. I am anal retentive and given the beauty of the display window and engine, am less likely (again, for now) to drive in the rain.

    Do you find the engine, glass cover, and carbon fiber, relatively easy to "detail" after a hard rain, etc.?

    Cheers and thanks, again

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    Re: R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    Very clear - Thanks for the detail.. Cheers

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    Re: R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by biggie27 View Post
    not sure about the engine cover part, but the traction control on the R8's is a 2 stage traction control press it once and it gives u race mode which will let u slide the car around a bit but it will intervene if the computer feels like the car is slipping alot, hold the button for 3 seconds and u enter stage 2 which will take off traction completely and if Im not mistaken u will also lose ABS in this mode.
    Ummm, that's the general idea, but not exactly.
    • ABS is the Antilock Braking System. There is no driver control for turning this system off. (You can think of ABS as providing the Ability while Braking to Steer.)
    • short press = ASR Off (Anti-Slip Regulation) otherwise known as Traction Control System in non-AudiSpeak
    • long press = ASR & ESP Off (Electronic Stability Program)
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    I apologize to the OP if he already knows all of this, but for the rest of us here is a very brief description of these systems, extracted from the introduction to the Bosch technical manual "Driving Stability Systems" (If you are interested in more detail, this book and many others are available at www.bentleypublishers.com/bosch/):
    The Bosch antilock braking system (ABS)...ensures that vehicles remain steerable and maintain directional stability even during emergency braking.

    The ABS system is also the foundation for systems such as the traction control sytem (TCS), electronic stability program (ECS), and other support systems.

    The TCS prevents the driven wheels from spinning when setting off and accelerating.

    The ESP vehicle dynamics control system ensures stability and keeps the vehicle on course in every conceivable driving situation by means of rapid intervention in the engine and braking systems. ESP therefore supplements ABS and TCS by detecting even the slightest rotational movements of the vehicle and correcting driving faults. The ESP intervention often goes unnoticed by the driver.

    ... Additional functions, such as the Brake Assist and Hill Hold Control ... are increasingly integrated in these systems...
    And from the Audi UK R8 Drivers Manual dated 2007, a much more complicated description along with some operating instructions and cautions (any emphasis is mine):
    Electronic stabilisation program (ESP)
    The Electronic Stabilisation Program increases the car's stability.

    Description
    The anti-lock brake system (ABS), the electronic differential lock (EDL) and the traction control system (ASR) are all integrated into the electronic stabilisation program (ESP). The ESP is designed to enhance the control over the vehicle in critical handling situations, such as when accelerating and cornering. It reduces the tendency to skid at all speeds under all road conditions and improves the stability and roadholding of the vehicle. ESP helps the car to start moving, accelerate and climb a gradient in slippery conditions where this may otherwise be difficult or even impossible. The ESP is switched on automatically when the engine is started. It should normally be left switched on at all times for optimum car stability.

    Driving situations
    If the car is oversteering (rear wheels losing grip first) the ESP mainly brakes the outside front wheel; if the car is understeering (front wheels losing grip first), the ESP brakes the inside rear wheel and possibly also other wheels. This automatic brake application is accompanied by characteristic noises.
    If, when braking, one of the wheels is turning too slowly in relation to the road speed and is close to locking up, the system will reduce the pressure in the brake line to this wheel. The driver is made aware of this control process by a pulsating of the brake pedal and accompanying noise. In this situation it is important to keep the brake pedal fully depressed so the ABS can regulate the brake application - do not “pump” the brake pedal. However, the ABS will not necessarily guarantee shorter stopping distances in all conditions. For instance, on loose gravel or fresh snow on top of an icy surface the stopping distance with ABS may even be slightly longer.
    Whenever it detects a significant difference in the speed of the driven wheels of one axle (for example, if the road is slippery on one side) the electronic differential lock (EDL) applies the brake to slow down the spinning wheel so that more of the power is directed to the other wheels. This function is active up to about 100 km/h. The brake system will make noises while it is working.
    If one wheel has less grip and starts spinning (for instance, if one of the driven wheels is on ice), press the accelerator hard until the car starts moving.
    If the wheels start to spin, the traction control system (ASR) automatically reduces the engine torque to match the amount of grip available.

    Activating the sport mode
    If required (for instance if you want to use the launch control), you can switch the traction control system (ASR) and electronic stabilisation program (ESP) to sport mode by pressing the button once. The ESP warning lamp will light up and the message ASR off will appear in the driver information system display. The amount of wheel slip is regulated according to the road speed. You should only use this feature if your driving ability and traffic conditions allow you to do so safely.

    Switching off the ESP and traction control system (ASR)
    To switch off the ASR and ESP in certain situations (e.g. when driving with snow chains, in deep snow, or on a loose surface, or when rocking the car backwards and forwards to free it from mud) press the button for longer than 3 seconds. The ESP warning lamp will light up and the message ESP switched off will appear in the driver information system display. You should only use this feature if your driving ability and traffic conditions allow you to do so safely.

    Switching on the ESP/traction control system (ASR)
    To activate the ASR/ESP, press the button again.

    Overheating of the brakes
    To prevent the disc brake of a braked wheel from overheating, the EDL cuts out automatically on the wheel in question if subjected to excessive loads. The car remains operational and will behave in the same way as a car without EDL. The EDL will switch on again automatically when the brake has cooled down.

    WARNING
    The grip provided by the ESP, ABS, EDL and ASR systems is still subject to the physical limits of adhesion. Always bear this in mind, especially on wet or slippery roads. If you notice the systems cutting in, you should reduce your speed immediately to suit the road and traffic conditions. Do not let the extra safety features tempt you into taking any risks when driving – this can cause accidents.
    • Please remember that the accident risk always increases if you drive too fast, especially in corners or on a slippery road, or if you follow too close behind the vehicle in front of you. Please bear in mind that even ESP, ABS, EDL and ASR cannot compensate for the increased accident risk.
    • When accelerating on a uniformly slippery surface (for instance all four wheels on ice or snow), press the accelerator gradually and carefully. The driven wheels may otherwise start to spin (in spite of the EDL), which would impair the car's stability and could lead to an accident.
    • Please note that, when the traction control system (ASR) or ASR/ESP is switched off, the driven wheels may start to spin, causing the vehicle to lose grip, in particular on slippery or wet roads - danger of skidding!

    Note
    • In the event of a malfunction in the rear spoiler system or in the Audi magnetic ride, it may not be possible to switch off the traction control system (ASR) or ASR/ESP, or the ASR/ESP may be reactivated automatically from the deactivated status.
    • If a malfunction should occur in the EDL, this is indicated by a warning lamp.
    • Some racing circuits (e.g. with banked curves) can affect the behaviour of the ESP.
    Please read the manual which came with your car for up to date information which may vary from the above.
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    Re: R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    Erhmmm, never having had much attention span for manuals this techno-download just makes my head spin in an Exorcist-type fashion. I am sure it must make much more sense (from a very low base, admittedly) when you run through the modes on a track and someone sits and explains this - in motion, as it were. But for now I will just have to nod sagely and hope that my head doesn't start an independent orbit around my shoulders.

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    Re: R8 Newbie with a Few Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by SaigonR8 View Post
    Erhmmm, never having had much attention span for manuals this techno-download just makes my head spin in an Exorcist-type fashion. I am sure it must make much more sense (from a very low base, admittedly) when you run through the modes on a track and someone sits and explains this - in motion, as it were. But for now I will just have to nod sagely and hope that my head doesn't start an independent orbit around my shoulders.
    Agreed. And very well said! Lol
    Nonetheless, thanks to Desperado for the detailed info.
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