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The best rotors on the planet, period.

Upating the top of this thread with the latest information. We're bringing upgraded CFRC rotors for the R8/RS5/Gallardo and Hurácan platforms, for both brake setups, iron and CCB. Both sets are a go. Pricing is not finalized until the engineering fee comes in but they should not be more than what's listed my business website.



If you're not familiar with CFRC rotors, in a nutshell they're CCB's with none of the downsides. They are not cast and are not made from chopped carbon fiber but from a continuous carbon strand and an additive/machined process. And here's the biggie...they conduct heat far better, are track capable AND can be resurfaced/renewed. They're good for 5,000 TRACK miles on average. Renewal runs $600/disc and takes 10 days. Cost of the rotors is about half of OEM CCB's per pair.

This isn't new tech, it's been used by Koenigsegg since 2004 and there are are already multiple fitments for Ferrari, McClaren, Porsche, Nissan GT-R, Aston Martin (which also uses them in their hype cars), etc...but nothing for Audi or Lamborghini. The Porsche track rats have been using them for years. I have all those fitments available now if you have one of them in your garage as well.

In addition, these rotors can use the normal iron disc rotors (18Z, 8-piston) with the matching brake pad. Two brake pads are offered, one for street and one for track, both from Pagid but I'm now hearing there may be other compatible pads.

The base brake upgrade package consists of 380x34mm front discs and the same 356x32mm rear discs as the CCB-equipped cars.

The CCB-equipped cars (those optioned with it or the V10 Plus) will have OE sized discs, 380x38mm front and 356x34mm rear. A smaller rear setup for those wanting to run 15" wheels out back is also in the works (for the TT drag/half mile cars).

Discs are six to eight weeks out max before they're in our hands. Photos of actual discs are on page 2. I'll keep updating the thread as we get new information in.

But exciting stuff for R8 owners. This'll be the ultimate brake setup hands down. If you're lucky enough to also own a Hurácan, Gallardo or B8 RS5, these same discs are an option for those cars as well.
 

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I’d be interested. What about calipers? Replacement required (CCB Caliper required) or stock iron rotor calipers work?
 

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I’d be interested. What about calipers? Replacement required (CCB Caliper required) or stock iron rotor calipers work?
These discs are designed to work with the iron rotor calipers as long as you use the recommended pad. So for the iron rotor cars, you'd step up to a 380x34mm disc with a spacer for the stock 17Z calipers. No other mods necessary, run the calipers as they are. The CCB guys just run their caliper as well. They're far, far more thermally efficient which is what allows them to work with a standard caliper. It has 3X the heat conductivity of a CCB rotor.

In the rear, it's the exact same setup for the CCB/non-CCB iron rotor cars so the same disc. Just the disc and pads. Street pad is the Pagid RSC-1 and the track is the RS29 or similar.

Street life is obviously far greater than track life. I know some of the Porsche guys get 10K track miles before refurbishing. That's a LOT of track time. Just figure out your local track's length, 20-30min. session and do the math. Makes me giddy.
 

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A bit more info here: https://redmistracing.com/cfrc-brakes. If you're seriously interested, send an email, [email protected] as they'll want a certain number of "I'm in" parties before beginning the engineering process.

It's apparently a two-month lead time from the initial order placed (engineering and manufacturing time) to delivery with subsequent orders shipped far faster as all the hard work has been done.
 

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following with great interest. Def would help in track time consumable costs.
 

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following with great interest. Def would help in track time consumable costs.
It absolutely would. Probably the main reason why I'm passionate about bringing them to market for our cars.

So to summarize, we'd have a few possible options:

CCB Equipped as OEM
-Front, either a 395mm with spacers or the OEM size 380x38mm.
-Rear, OEM sized.

Non-CCB, Iron Rotor as OEM
-Front 380x34mm with caliper spacers.
-Rear, OEM sized.

Thoughts? Wants? Desires? Anyone see a fly in the ointment with those fitments? Anyone running the larger Girodisc rotors with the OEM Audi rims?
 

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Just heard there are three committed Hurican owners so far. They're looking at 8 committed to produce this fitment due to the rather enormous up front engineering costs of a new fitment. Front and rear package, ballpark based on other fitments is $13.5K for a front and rear set (four discs) in the OEM CCB sizes. Obviously the rear rotors will fit either the CCB or iron rotor cars.

We have a car willing to loan their OEM CCB discs for the hat and rotor engineering.

If there's interest from the non-CCB cars with the 380x34, the requirements would be the same, 8 committed owners.

If anyone is a regular on the Lamborghini forums, you're more than welcome to share this information. I'll most likely post info on Lamborghini-talk as well. I'm just not involved in the Lamborghini world like I am in the Audi world.

Appreciate the help!
 

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I am non-CCB. I ran Girodiscs under my factory 19” wheels without issue. I’m interested, but I have an engine build in the works and can’t swing both. I would love this as a future option though.
 

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I am non-CCB. I ran Girodiscs under my factory 19” wheels without issue. I’m interested, but I have an engine build in the works and can’t swing both. I would love this as a future option though.
Just to clarify, you ran the 395mm discs with the OEM wheels?
 

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I spent much more than that to upgrade to the full Audi OEM CCB setup. I'd be interested if I ever had to swap them out, but not tomorrow. Sounds like a good idea though.
 

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Yeah I really want to bring the 380x34mm rotors first even though I personally would not benefit directly as I have a CCB setup. I'm working on it but it'll take committed people to pull it off. Just wrong all the other marques get to take advantage of this tech and not Audi/Lamborghini. 😤

Turns out there is a 380x34mm rotor already engineered BUT the swept annular may be a different size. I'm checking on that. It'd really save a lot of effort if that rotor would work for the 18Z caliper.
 

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If you want to see all the current fitments available and pricing, go here: https://hcfbrakesystems.com/products

I have a 380x34mm disc ready to be delivered to Surface Transforms in England, just waiting on enough willing buyers before we go through the effort and expense.
 

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I would like to buy a full set of these for my Gen 2 R8 Plus for the track. I was going to buy an iron set of rotors and reg brakes for the track so I don’t damage the ultra expensive OEM CC rotors and brakes on my car.
 

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And yet another brief update, the CCB replacement fitment is a go. This is a full, front/rear set, 380x38mm front, and the 356x32mm rear.

We don't have enough interest (yet) for the base brake (iron rotor) setup but I just started reaching out to the Gallardo community as I'm sure there will be interest there given the age of the cars.
 

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In order to speed things up, I took it upon myself to purchase a set of iron 380x34mm rotors/caliper spacers in the UK and they'll be delivered to Surface Transforms by a friend in Liverpool for measurements. Cheaper than purchasing stateside and then shipping overseas! This'll provide all the base brake guys with a front carbon ceramic upgrade using the stock calipers. ST should have them late next week. If any UK R8/RS5 guys are looking for a new set of front iron rotors, I'll have them for sale after ST is done with them in new condition. They'll be in Liverpool for local pickup or they can be shipped. These are two-piece rotors with aluminum hats by a respected UK brake specialist.
 

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I'd love to take advantage of some upsrung mass and better stopping power.
 

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I'd love to take advantage of some upsrung mass and better stopping power.
They're saying it'll be a 6-8 week wait for the 380x34mm front rotors once they get the discs in hand for measurements. Do you have the base iron rotor brakes or the CCB's? The CCB kit is apparently going to be out first and it'll be a four-wheel upgrade, the OE sized 380x38mm fronts and 356x32mm rears. Once the 380x34mm disc is done for the base brake setup, you'll be able to use the 356x32mm rear disc for a full four-wheel upgrade.

Having driven iron rotor and CCB cars back to back, you can definitely feel the difference. I love CCB's on the street, will probably never purchase a car without them again. I know some feel differently but I've had a fantastic experience with them. Also, there's a new Brembo carbon ceramic pad option available which is very inexpensive and works as well as the OE pads. Have them on my vehicle now. 1/4 the cost of OE pads.

It'll just be nice to have a far less expensive, track-capable brake package. I won't track my car now as is due to the OE CCB's. I have to stick to the back roads of Mexico ;) No danger of overheating them there as I tend to enjoy those roads somewhat responsibly. But with COTA just down the road, I'm anxious to explore an F1 track. Used to live in Florida and was a regular track junkie at PBIR, Homestead and Sebring.
 
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