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...will have only 480hp.

I was at coffee today with my firend and he told me some info.

5.2L V10
480Hp/7400rpm
540Nm
0-100km/h: 4.2s
Max: 310km/h

This info is in internal documents, but this numbers can be little bit different when V10 is introduced next year.

Upcharge? Around 15000Euro in Germany...
 

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...will have only 480hp.

I was at coffee today with my firend and he told me some info.

5.2L V10
480Hp/7400rpm
540Nm
0-100km/h: 4.2s
Max: 310km/h

This info is in internal documents, but this numbers can be little bit different when V10 is introduced next year.

Upcharge? Around 15000Euro in Germany...
It's the same trick Audi does with other cars with the same engine. Normally they detune with the ECU engine management, so maybe it's easy to unleash the full potential of the engine with an ECU remap?

Or does Audi really made minor changes to the engine itself to detune it? I can't imagine that.
 

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No. 5.2L V10 will use same kind of intake system and exhaust as 4.2L V8. But, the problem seems to be extra high revs(up to 8200 in V8). Maximum revs for V10 seems to be around 7850rpm...

Since V10 layout produces more vibration then V8 this info is pretty accurate IMHO. Gallardo V10 is smaller(5.0L) and uses different crankshaft...
Regarding gearbox-manual and R-Tronic, but with longer gears from second to sixth.
 

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This 480 hp rumor has been going around a few forums. Remember when there was a rumor that the R8 would have a higher hp ratings than the RS4? For now it is all still speculation and nothing is official I don't buy 480 hp considering the gallardo and R8 have both been sticking to the 100 hp per liter mark and if it was 480 hp the v10 could have gone right into the r8 without stepping on the gallardo. We will wait and see I guess.
 

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Facelifted Gallardo will NOT use 5.2L V10, but uprated 5.0L V10. Trust me on this.
5.2L V10 with 480hp/540Nm is in Audi internal documents. I personally saw it...
 

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No. 5.2L V10 will use same kind of intake system and exhaust as 4.2L V8. But, the problem seems to be extra high revs(up to 8200 in V8). Maximum revs for V10 seems to be around 7850rpm...

Since V10 layout produces more vibration then V8 this info is pretty accurate IMHO. Gallardo V10 is smaller(5.0L) and uses different crankshaft...
Regarding gearbox-manual and R-Tronic, but with longer gears from second to sixth.
Ok, now I see it. 5.2 vs 5.0 and a different crank.

For the extra money it doesn't seem a great buy then? I'm happy with the V8.
 

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Kreso, I never understood why they made the angle 90 degrees in the V-10 instead of 72 degrees. Is that the issue with the vibration? It looks like they just added two cylinders to the V-8.

Is 90 degrees ok for a V-10?
 

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Facelifted Gallardo will NOT use 5.2L V10, but uprated 5.0L V10. Trust me on this.
5.2L V10 with 480hp/540Nm is in Audi internal documents. I personally saw it...
Either way with everyone agreeing the gallardo motor will get an upgrade 480 hp doesn't seem like a large enough difference from the V8. I don't understand why in the world they would do 480 hp when their competitors over at BMW are getting slightly over 500 hp out of their compareable displacement V10.

Audi decided on this whole NA power thing they might as well do it right, at least 100 hp pet liter on a high revving NA motor is the standard now.

Anyone know the weight of the v10 vs. the v8?
 

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Kreso, I never understood why they made the angle 90 degrees in the V-10 instead of 72 degrees. Is that the issue with the vibration? It looks like they just added two cylinders to the V-8.

Is 90 degrees ok for a V-10?
90 degree is optimal for a v10. The v10 is not inherently balanced like an inline 6 or v12. It is balanced in the M6, M6, and viper with crankshaft counterweights as an odd firing 90 degree V engine. In the gallardo and in the ford 6.8 V10 it is a split crankshaft journal at 90 degree v angle.

There are some 72 degree motors but I don't really know of any that are current production, I think someone had a 72 degree when formula 1 was doing v10's and there were some flatter ones at over 100 degrees but I don't remember.

Edit: After some research audi also choose the 90 degree angle for a lower center of gravity in the gallardo.
 

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...will have only 480hp.

I was at coffee today with my firend and he told me some info.

5.2L V10
480Hp/7400rpm
540Nm
0-100km/h: 4.2s
Max: 310km/h

This info is in internal documents, but this numbers can be little bit different when V10 is introduced next year.

Upcharge? Around 15000Euro in Germany...
Kreso - do you think there is a big difference in roll-on acceleration (50mph to 100mph for example) between the v10 and v8? if yes, what is your guesstimate.
 

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Well, if Audi is claiming 0 - 100 kph with the V-10 to be 4.2 vs 4.6 claimed for the V8 that is .4 seconds faster. That would put it in the high 3's maybe 3.8, for 0 - 60 mph. Not really so bad?

That's pretty much neck-to-neck with the 500 hp crowd, F430, etc. Seems worth $15K over the V8 car, I guess. Puts it at maybe $140k in the US?

I would buy it for that.
 

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Gallardo 5.0L V10 and Audi 5.2L V10 both use counterbalance for keeping the vibrations at lowest level possible. But, any of you tried Gallardo? Its V10 is producing more vibration then V10 in BMW M6/M5 for example.
Yes, all current high reving V10s on the market are 90 degrees except the one in Porsche CGT.

Weight of 5.2L V10? In same(intake system etc) configuration as 4.2L V8 difference is around 35kg(actually between 30-40kg, but there could be few suprises...). So, my guess is that R8 V10 will wieght around 1595kg.

Power... 480hp is also IMHO not too much, BUT main problem is Gallardo.
I heard that V10 in R8(5.2L) already produced around 520hp without any problems! So, why only 480hp then? Audi decide to detune(BUT; THIS DECISION IS NOT FINAL!) 5.2L V10 because first R8 test mules with this engine(520hp!) were faster then current Gallardo!

If Audi will put 520hp 5.2L V10 you can expect:

0-100km/h: 4.0s
0-200km/h:12.8s
Max: 315-320km/h

Currently they do not want to mess with Gallardo sales...

BUT, regarding power here is what you can expect:

480hp(33% possibility)
500hp(33%)
520hp(33%)

Turque is always the same-540Nm.

Weight distribution will change from 46% front and 54% rear to 44% front and 56% rear with V10 engine so we can expect different ESP calibration as well...
 

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Audi decide to detune(BUT; THIS DECISION IS NOT FINAL!) 5.2L V10 because first R8 test mules with this engine(520hp!) were faster then current Gallardo!
It's understandable, Audi / Lamborghini don't want the Gallardo to be slower. The R8 V10 will also be cheaper then the Gallardo. So outperforming the Gallardo is not the right step to do.

Maybe the will upgrade the Gallardo to more BHP and they'll give the R8 the 500+ bhp?
 

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If indeed the V10 is 480 BHP at a EUR 15,000 estimated premium (GBP 10,000), then count me out !

480 BHP = 16% increase on 414 BHP

Hardly worth selling the V8, losing a little in the sale on a used car, then paying £10K more than V8 list price for very little extra.......
 

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...will have only 480hp.

I was at coffee today with my firend and he told me some info.

5.2L V10
480Hp/7400rpm
540Nm
0-100km/h: 4.2s
Max: 310km/h

This info is in internal documents, but this numbers can be little bit different when V10 is introduced next year.

Upcharge? Around 15000Euro in Germany...
Current specs are 500 PS @ 7600 RPM, 525 NM @ 4700 RPM. Redline is set @7900 RPM. Its a 5204 CC motor. ETA, next year spring for production. Data is still not out for sure, but that is what it is now.
 

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I can't wait for this as I will tune the software once I can get my hands on one. (v-10) This is going to be fun.
 

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Current specs are 500 PS @ 7600 RPM, 525 NM @ 4700 RPM. Redline is set @7900 RPM. Its a 5204 CC motor. ETA, next year spring for production. Data is still not out for sure, but that is what it is now.
Hmm... Since my source(friend who works for Audi) confirmed your data I am wondering are you working for Audi?

My guess is that you are from Germany(PS=Pferdestarke in English HP Horsepower)?

Any way, welcome to R8talk!
 

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Current specs are 500 PS @ 7600 RPM, 525 NM @ 4700 RPM. Redline is set @7900 RPM. Its a 5204 CC motor. ETA, next year spring for production. Data is still not out for sure, but that is what it is now.

my reply goes to a 1 year old message :)

I found this thread and decided I'd pop up a question .. is there any new info on this engine? I mean, one years just passed since the above info, where is the engine?
 

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Paris 2008... 5204ccm... 386kw... 540Nm(398lb/ft)... 4.0s... 12.8s... 315km/h... R-Tronic/manual...
 
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