...early 2009.Does any know when is the scheduled launch of the DSG for R8??
I finally had an opportunity to drive an Audi with the ddilemma (DSG) transmission. Overall, I was extremely impressed with it and my impression was that they have tuned it to operate nearly identically to the tiptronic (regular automatic).
This is a good and bad thing in regards to a sports car application. Just as the nearly seamless tiptronic in my turbo makes it a much smoother less stressful ride, it does seem to take some of the "sport" out of the equation. Most of my driving experience is with automatics, although I've driven manuals just enough to confirm my left foot has a long way to go to gain precise clutch feel, and having one hand on the wheel when you're driving the most aggressively and shifting frequently began to feel like a bit of a hassle.
The R-tronic seems like the perfect solution! (assuming they've got all the bugs out at this point)
Simply said-NOT true at all. What about M-DKG(M-DCT) in new BMW M3. This gearbox is made by Getrag and M3 engine revs up to 8400rpm(in all honestly it even revs more freely then R8s engine)...3) This car can't take a DSG because its revs rise and drop too fast. It just can't mate with DSG. DSG needs an engine which revs are slower to rise and fall, because this is its main characteristic. The will NOT be a DSG for the R8 - authority mcnish, product manager. NOT even the Borg Warner one.
4) DSG goes against the philosophy of the R8. They WANT you to feel the shift for the sporting experience. The DSG does not give you the feel for the shift. DSG is NOT for this car, again - authority Product Manager.
While it was true initially that the available DSG transmissions could not handle more than 300HP (probably due to the two, relatively small clutches), this has changed now. I believe the more limiting factor with DSG availability in the R8 is the actual layout of the drivetrain. The mid-engine layout requires a transaxle transmission, with an integral differential driving the rear wheels out of each side. And don't forget about the power take off to the front for the front wheel drive and its associated differential. Obviously a very specialized layout, although probably similar to the current lower power front and all wheel drive DSG's Audi has. The Porsche 911 application is also similar, only with the engine rearwards. Compare this to the M3 with the transmission mounted to the front engine driving a shaft rearwards. Much simpler and applicable to many other vehicles. We're lucky the R8 is getting a current generation SMG based a gearbox originally designed for mid-engine Lambo's and Ferrari's and much improved over the past several years!
DSG will likely eventually be available in the R8, but as I stated in an earlier post, be sure you know what you're wishing for!
Simply said-NOT true at all. What about M-DKG(M-DCT) in new BMW M3. This gearbox is made by Getrag and M3 engine revs up to 8400rpm(in all honestly it even revs more freely then R8s engine)...
Your info is not accurate... Sorry...
There will be replacement for R-Tronic... 7speed DSG style gearbox with(maybe) new name RS-Tronic... 2009...
Of course manual(6speed) will remain as standard item.
I disagree, if you want better performance, then you want the DSG. Faster shifts than you can do on your own, which is good when you're trying to squeeze every last ms from your best time.Although DSG shifts smoother ... it takes the whole "sport feel" away ... the "hits" you get while changing gear is part of the whole experience ... after all the R-Tronic is the E-gear found on the Gallardo ...
HovyR8, you were responding to a posting that was way over a year old!
Also, there will be no DSG for the R8. As I understand, the Audi engineers tried, but could not get it to fit. It would have required too much of a remodel to make it work. But it does fit in the R8 LMS, so 996TT is probably correct as to the drivetrain/differential being the prob. The R8 LMS is rear wheel drive only. DSG is definitely the best for racing. Other than that is simply a question of personal tastes. I prefer manual.
PS.. Usually Kreso's information is very accurate about the R8.
bmw's m division used to say that they were using smg rather than dual clutch because it was "more sporting" too - until they managed to fit a dual clutch transmission in the m3...Although DSG shifts smoother ... it takes the whole "sport feel" away ... the "hits" you get while changing gear is part of the whole experience ... after all the R-Tronic is the E-gear found on the Gallardo ...
bmw's m division used to say that they were using smg rather than dual clutch because it was "more sporting" too - until they managed to fit a dual clutch transmission in the m3...
it's all about them talking up what they have available and downplaying what they don't.
I'd take dsg over smg in a heartbeat - it's a no brainer.