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Looking to buy an R8 and have questions

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#1 ·
Hey Everyone!
I'm looking to buy a low-mileage r8 pre-2014 (I like the look of gen1 over the new body style).

Does anyone have experience buying a used R8? Is there anything I should do before purchasing one?

I noticed that the frame damage issue in the cars before 2010 seem to be an issue. Is that real or exaggerated?

Thanks for your help, can't wait to join the club!
 
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The Gen-1 body style went from 2008 - 2015 in the US, so those years should work for you. 2014 and 2015 were "facelift" years which look pretty much identical but changed relatively minor aesthetics including lights, grille, some interior pieces, etc. but it's still the same body style. The Gen-2 started in 2016 (2017 model for US).

There's been quite a bit written about what to look for when buying, but a solid PPI will be necessary. Common failures include magnetic ride, A/C compressor, oil return pipe (leak), and a few others you'll find repeatedly on the forum, but each is easily inspected during a PPI - granted, working one day doesn't mean it won't fail the next! So, just plan and budget accordingly. If you're looking at a 2010 or earlier car, the frame crack is indeed a "real thing." It's not something that's super common, but it's happened ENOUGH that you certainly need to inspect those cars. While Audi has continued to be helpful in resolving those situations (when they've occurred), it doesn't mean that will always be the case. So, if it was me personally, I'd just have a plan on how to mitigate the risk if purchasing one of those model years (e.g., proactively welding the reinforcement plates).

Drive multiple examples - including the "big" decisions on V8 or V10, manual vs. R vs. S, coupe vs. spyder. Also, have an idea of what options you're after. Some of these options can make/break the feel of the car IMHO - full leather, B&O, carbon trim pieces, etc. A well optioned car will feel much more luxurious than a bare one.

What modifications are you willing to accept (or looking for), versus what do you expect to be stock? Wheels and exhaust are two very common modifications, clearly - and while wheels are much simpler (and less expensive to swap out), an exhaust that drones, is too loud, etc., will be a bigger undertaking and expense. Are factory parts available to revert on other mods if you chose to do so?

Beyond the mechanicals, style, and options, there's obviously aesthetic condition to consider, too. Check the obvious things like paint chips and bolster wear. Some amount of both are expected on most cars, but a great example would be one covered with PPF (no chips) and with a careful driver who didn't rub the bolster on entry/exit. Those cars exist.

Get maintenance records PRIOR to a PPI - helps you identify things to take a second look at, and it'll help filter out cars not worth considering. Do NOT expect to get maintenance records after you've completed a sale. Audi will not provide a prior owner's records to you (or at least they're not supposed to for privacy reasons - many people have learned this the hard way). A well maintained car should have all of its services done annually and by the book. It doesn't need to be done at an Audi dealer, but there should be records of someone following the recommended process. A 10 year old car, for example, that never had the transmission fluid flushed, brake fluid changed, spark plugs done, etc., because the owner just barely did oil changes, is one to avoid.

Look for signs of abuse or neglect. Cars (coupes) left to sit outside may have rust and/or discoloration on the metal mesh that covers the sides of the engine bay - this is due to water constantly entering the engine vents and dripping down onto the mesh parts. Are the tools all accounted for in the frunk? Are the tires in good shape or bald? Are any of the interior trim pieces nicked or cracked? Some of these, like the canopy surround, are a huge job to change - requires the whole dash to come off. Is the leather clean (matte - not shiny / oily)? While very common, the shift knob can also attract lots of scratches from people who wear rings. Is the car generally clean?

Consider where the car has lived and what your intentions may be for it long-term. A car that's lived in a warm, dry climate, for instance, may minimize the chance that the prior owner(s) drove it through salt-covered snowy roads. While these cars are aluminum, corrosion can still occur, and there are plenty of susceptible parts - radiators, fluid lines, fittings, etc. - that won't take well to salt exposure over the years. That said, a car that's left to bake in southern sun/heat, can also have issues with leather, such as bubbling, pulling, or separation on the dash or door panels. Just things to check for as best as possible.

Good luck in your hunt!
 
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Once again... @ezmaass you may have missed your calling... You are a seriously good, detailed, descriptive writer. WT??? Just for kicks, you may want to take some of these posts, organize them and see if a Car magazine will publish any of them. I BET YOU they would!
 
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#4 ·
Also see if you cam get one from a private seller who has a long fidelity warranty on it. They used to sell them cheap for 10 years and 100,000 miles and I thibk those are worth 10k to 20k in real value. Also check the rotors as they are like 6k or something to replace and it seems like most people avoid doing them. There was a fantastic thread in rotors that got deleted (and yes, im still bitter) so not sure where to point you to get all that great information.

But go for it. The cars are truly special and a Gen 1 is beautiful and probably won't lose much value.
 
#6 ·
I think ez hates his day job. His posts are so good I like wanna ask the guy for life advice to get my act together.
 
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You guys are too kind (and funny!)... @NYG I'd have a fun time with the prenups for you! :)

I just happen to type fast - so it probably comes across as more effort than it truly is!
 
#13 ·
I am quite literally terrified of retirement. I think some men are just meant to work until the day they die.
 
#14 ·
**ck that. Life is for living and unless your work is your life then it just gets in the way of having fun.
 
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Dude, you are in the wrong line of work then. I absolutely love everything about my work. Have you seen my lifestyle? I literally do whatever the **** I want all the time and switch between ridiculously crazy travel for pure fun to closing deals all over the world which is also pure fun. I'm definitely not the richest guy, but truly enjoy the company I've built. My clients absolutely love me and my team kicks ass and are all as smart or smarter than me. Our clients are cool as hell hyper successful people and recognize and pay for our superior service.

Jesus, I've been in 7 countries in the last few weeks and decided to summer in Europe everyplace from the med to now in the Swiss alps with an amazing smoking hot woman I love to death (the hooker comments are just jokes). My other option for a few weeks off was to fly back to Peru and pick up my motorcycle and ride to Bolivia on the craziest back roads I could find. I've worked and lived everyplace from Asia to Central America with several stints in Europe.

What am I gonna do, retire to Florida with a bunch of fat fucks who sit around talking about the days back when they were kicking ass? No thank you. I'm in my 40s and already spending 30% of my time building up guys in their 20s who I think can make it big so that I still have a network when I am in my 60s and 70s.


I could stop working now if I wanted without a change in lifestyle but have you ever truly spend months away from work? It gets old as hell. I did 6 months living on a sailboat once and it was amazing for about 5 months.

I totally disagree that work is not the best way to live life. I had **** investment banking jobs for a while and hated every second of it. I had **** consulting jobs that I sucked at and hated. But I am not a religious man but pray weekly that my life stays half as good as it is now. Like everyone, I've been down in the gutter but I also have about 2p good friends who all live the same lifestyle I do. We all took enormous risks and most went under once or twice but kept kicking. Work is the best.
 
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Dude, you are in the wrong line of work then. I absolutely love everything about my work. Have you seen my lifestyle? I literally do whatever the **** I want all the time and switch between ridiculously crazy travel for pure fun to closing deals all over the world which is also pure fun. I'm definitely not the richest guy, but truly enjoy the company I've built. My clients absolutely love me and my team kicks ass and are all as smart or smarter than me. Our clients are cool as hell hyper successful people and recognize and pay for our superior service.

Jesus, I've been in 7 countries in the last few weeks and decided to summer in Europe everyplace from the med to now in the Swiss alps with an amazing smoking hot woman I love to death (the hooker comments are just jokes). My other option for a few weeks off was to fly back to Peru and pick up my motorcycle and ride to Bolivia on the craziest back roads I could find. I've worked and lived everyplace from Asia to Central America with several stints in Europe.

What am I gonna do, retire to Florida with a bunch of fat fucks who sit around talking about the days back when they were kicking ass? No thank you. I'm in my 40s and already spending 30% of my time building up guys in their 20s who I think can make it big so that I still have a network when I am in my 60s and 70s.


I could stop working now if I wanted without a change in lifestyle but have you ever truly spend months away from work? It gets old as hell. I did 6 months living on a sailboat once and it was amazing for about 5 months.

I totally disagree that work is not the best way to live life. I had ** investment banking jobs for a while and hated every second of it. I had ** consulting jobs that I sucked at and hated. But I am not a religious man but pray weekly that my life stays half as good as it is now. Like everyone, I've been down in the gutter but I also have about 2p good friends who all live the same lifestyle I do. We all took enormous risks and most went under once or twice but kept kicking. Work is the best.
You clearly love what you do and that is great. Long may it continue.

I loved my last job which was a major career change when I got into it in my late 40's, but 10 years on a lot had changed in the way the work was undertaken and I started to dread everday of it. So when I was offered early voluntary retirement at 61, I jumped at it and haven't looked back.

Like @ExpertRanch said, retirement isn't about stopping doing stuff, just doing more of the stuff you enjoy.
 
#17 ·
I work as hard in retirement as I ever did when I was "working". Human beings are goal oriented. When we don't have a goal, we are unhappy. A goal can be going on an adventure or whatever, but we need to be working towards something, that is how we were built (Pscho-Cybernetics, by Dr. Maxwell Maltz) It's not as weird as the title makes it sound.
 
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#18 ·
Not retired YET but aiming for fairly early exit (I'm in my early 40's) - likely later in my 40's.

I like what I do and thoroughly enjoy the excitement of business, but I'm the type of person who also values control. So, from that perspective, I don't like the idea of working for a living. Rather than refer to it as "retirement" in the conventional sense, I prefer to look at it as simply financial independence. It's just all about freedom of choices in my eyes. If I want to start another business, I'll do it. If I want to blow it up one day, I'll do it. If I want to travel for a year, I'll do it. I absolutely won't go sit on a beach all day - I'm an entrepreneur and constantly into something. But, I like the idea of waking up and saying, "today I'd RATHER go sit on a beach than be a slave to a calendar of meetings."

There are at least a half dozen good business ideas I've been sitting on for years simply because I don't have the time to focus on it. Some are also completely outrageous and not fit for "side hustles" - so, I'd definitely explore some of those. But again, freedom.
 
#21 ·
Absolutely love how a repetitive R8 thread turned into life coaching/consulting thread.

/grabs popcorn
 
#22 ·
I am starting a "sort of" life coaching business.... hhah ahaha kevinmask.com It's not actually started yet as I'm writing a book right now... but h aha hahha I agree ... You gotta admit, this group of R8 guys is the absolute best bunch of guys! I might even use stories from here (in general no actual call outs) in my book. Well, maybe I'll call Judd out! ha ha aha Just kidding! h ahah ha hah hhah
 
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Dinkman. What does that even mean? Ok, so let's say I tried to do nothing. I'd wake up at 10am and then probably read for 4 hours and then go swim for 1, lift for 1, bamg for 1, eat for 2, bang for 3 and then go to bed. Sounds good for a day but not for a lifetime.


And most importantly, to the guys who are in their 60s or a lot older and actually retired what do you wish you would have known or done differently in your 40s and 50s? That's the question who intrigues me.
 
#25 ·
Dinkman. What does that even mean? Ok, so let's say I tried to do nothing. I'd wake up at 10am and then probably read for 4 hours and then go swim for 1, lift for 1, bamg for 1, eat for 2, bang for 3 and then go to bed. Sounds good for a day but not for a lifetime.


And most importantly, to the guys who are in their 60s or a lot older and actually retired what do you wish you would have known or done differently in your 40s and 50s? That's the question who intrigues me.
I'm 72 and I wouldn't have done anything different, as for doing nothing in my retirement ! I'm out of bed around 07 am then out on my R1 before it gets to hot, back for breakfast then out in my R8 to a club where I swim for a couple of hours. Lunch and go through my emails/Skpe chats/Whatsapp with friends and family. Around 17.00 stroll to the seafront to have some cold beers with the wife and friends, back to the apartment at around 21.00 couple more drinks and listen to music with my wife, bed and ready to repeat.
 
#27 ·
Could have have done that same lifestyle and been happy when you were 40 to 60 years old?
 
#29 ·
That makes me like you a lot more. I always want to ask people questions but state at some point, "but if you inherited your money at a young age then I really don't care to hear your thoughts".

I still don't think being in your 40s or 50s and retired is all that sweet. I think it has to do with energy. Kids have tons and it just decreases with age. Seems to be a universal fact. I have only increased my energy level since my 20s because I stopped partying and take care of myself now. But I am anticipating that when I hit 70 I will have about half as much energy as I do now. Vitamins and 3x testosterone injections along with daily exercise seem to be a bit of a fountain of youth but im sure it won't last forever.
 
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That makes me like you a lot more. I always want to ask people questions but state at some point, "but if you inherited your money at a young age then I really don't care to hear your thoughts".

I still don't think being in your 40s or 50s and retired is all that sweet. I think it has to do with energy. Kids have tons and it just decreases with age. Seems to be a universal fact. I have only increased my energy level since my 20s because I stopped partying and take care of myself now. But I am anticipating that when I hit 70 I will have about half as much energy as I do now. Vitamins and 3x testosterone injections along with daily exercise seem to be a bit of a fountain of youth but im sure it won't last forever.
A guy I met when first out of college used to ask, "do you work to live or live to work?" all the time. No right answer, just different motivations.

Some of the people I've met and known who retired very early (late 30's or 40's) managed to do so because they're incredibly driven and smart. Their retirement didn't look like something from a Fidelity brochure, though - they simply moved on to the next "big thing." Eventually they'd find themselves making money again simply because their productivity would lead to income... but not because it HAD to do so. And I think that's a big key to happiness right there.

Personally, I know I'll end up doing other productive stuff... just because I need the mental stimulation. I enjoy the process of creating, so I expect I'll always be creating something. But, I like the idea of removing the income motivation from the equation. Some of my wackiest ideas may never make money, but I sure would enjoy pursuing them. Would I allow early retirement to blossom into a full blown second career? Maybe. But ideally not to the extent where I became a slave to it. As I said, I'd want freedom to "check out" for extended periods of time... and having run my own company, I can say I've never worked harder than those years. IF there was a next time around, I'd need to consider allowing someone to run the day to day aspects.

You may have heard the term "FIRE" before - "financial independence retire early." Again, my experience with many who have done it - they're mainly after the "financial independence" piece and not so much the "retire early" piece. It's good to have options, and I think that's really what the "FI" piece buys you.
 
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#33 ·
Since this has already been jacked into a retirement thread, when I was 45 I swore I'd retire at 55. Now I'm nearly 68, working 30 hrs./week doing what God designed me to do (so I really enjoy it and I'm really good at it). The wife say's I'll probably die working, just like her dad did at 85. That's fine with me, as long as I can still drive cars and enjoy bourbon too.
 
#35 ·
Appreciate the response on energy. I'm trying to plan my life and it's hard to know what's coming.

You also seem to be way way more healthy than normal and still saw a 50% drop from 20s. I wonder if "normal" guys see much more.
 
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Appreciate the response on energy. I'm trying to plan my life and it's hard to know what's coming.

You also seem to be way way more healthy than normal and still saw a 50% drop from 20s. I wonder if "normal" guys see much more.
I think the best thing you can do is keep up with moderate exercise. After 50, don't try to win a marathon (unless that is your goal)... just eat healthy (un-refined foods if possible), get some cardio (brisk walking --less than 4mph at which point you have to jog and that can cause knee, foot and back issues for a lot of people of my age group-- has loads of benefits and virtually no drawbacks.. lift some weights to keep your muscle mass and bone density (I've fallen and can't get up is ultra common and usually do to low bone density and then broken bones)... And I won't even go into the spiritual stuff, that REALLY helps with everything. It will be in my book though.. ha hahhah

As for normal... can't say. But each day we decide if we are going to be "normal" or better than "normal". "Normal" isn't very difficult. Watch several hours of television a day or on the weekend, drink a lot of beer or hard liquor, eat much more food than you need and especially fast food and processed foods (hey they are easy to get, you can pick them up just about anywhere)... Why would you ever choose to be "normal".

Just something to think about... 😉:cool:
 
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#37 ·
I totally agree with your philosophy. You get what you put into life. It amazes me how few people agree with that statement.

Finish that book and have EZ spell check and fix the grammar.
 
#38 ·
I totally agree with your philosophy. You get what you put into life. It amazes me how few people agree with that statement.
Really? It's kind of the standard for parasites these days.

Step 1) Be a useless scumbag that doesn't work to be a better person, family member, member of society.
Step 2) Start "feeling sorry" for some cause and speaking out about it
Step 3) Acquire moral virtue credits while simultaneously remaining a top tier piece of ****
 
#46 ·
Great points in this thread. I'm considering moding my Gen1, but I have very low mileage and not sure if it will seriously destroy any potential collection value.
What is the general consensus for easy/discreet mods, eg wheels, exhaust,
AND
large mods / more obvious eg V10 side blades, turbo kit etc
I think as long as you keep everything so you can put it back on factory if/when you want to. No harm no foul. That's what I'm doing.
 
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#45 ·
I plan to buy another low mileage gen 1 after I put 100,000 miles on my current one and I won't buy anything that has bas mods. Just my personal take.
 
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Great accomplishment on the book.
 
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