What is what?

 

White car is the tuned non-plus (no spoiler which pluses have)


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I’ve been telling them , they never heard me, so, here’s more proof, but they still won’t believe, TOTALLY WALKED...

even With a nonplus R8 and the V10 Plus had the same power output, the base model would feel slower, because it's geared taller in gears three through seven. 4 gears is significant, it’s not just a taller 7th or something.

don’t waste your breath.....

Dude look how bad the tuned base gets gapped, that has nothing to do with marginally lower gear ratios. That tune is obviously not putting out the power its claiming.

all the non plus owners ass hurt.

 

It’s just the gearing that the plus has, it gives it total advantage.

 

The gearing isnt going to cause it to get gapped that bad, my guess is that VF tune sucks.....

 

^ lol kinda what I am thinking too!

 

even With a nonplus R8 and the V10 Plus had the same power output, the base model would feel slower, because it's geared taller in gears three through seven. 4 gears is significant, it’s not just a taller 7th or something.

 

Dude look how bad the tuned base gets gapped, that has nothing to do with marginally lower gear ratios. That tune is obviously not putting out the power its claiming.

 

Wow gapped...someone ask for their money back on that tune😬🤣

 

You guys have to realize that CCM brakes help alot too . There is probably like 50lb savings in rotating weight on the v10+ car . Rotating weight is huge vs normal weight

 

The white car was mine. I didn’t have my traction control off. Also I notice on 3rd gear I was doing much better pulls. The r8 plus I know him very well his my boy. His a good driver but his car is not stock I can bet all my money on it. I asked him to race me again and disappear. His representing ginatni. Again his my boy I won’t talk **** but his car is not stock period. I did 20 rolls before he decided to race [emoji2357] he always claims his cars are stock but they are NOT.


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The white car was mine. I didn’t have my traction control off. Also I notice on 3rd gear I was doing much better pulls. The r8 plus I know him very well his my boy. His a good driver but his car is not stock I can bet all my money on it. I asked him to race me again and disappear. His representing ginatni. Again his my boy I won’t talk **** but his car is not stock period. I did 20 rolls before he decided to race [emoji2357] he always claims his cars are stock but they are NOT. People take racing so serious which is not someone will always be faster not matter what. He waited to see how much I was running then he decided to run with me. Again all respect know him long time.


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Same power shorter gearing and lighter brakes...not surprising.
For whoever wants to "claim" the V10 Plus isn't stock, please enlighten me, what aftermarket stuff is out there for our car to make it faster short of forced induction? There's no cams, headers, etc. On a naturally aspirated motor a tune isn't going to gain you much. The only reason gains are huge on the base is because Audi neuters the base model. The V10 Plus tune gains are minimal at best.

 

He can run race gas!!! Tuned!!! He had exhaust system. Again my traction was on. Once my traction was completely I was running good number 143 145. Again I ran my car 50 times he ran his car 4 times. His my boy at the end of the day he beat me no excuses but he’s smart he knows when to run his car he would do 2 runs and wait for the car to cool off for 2 hrs I didn’t care. Also I don’t care who beats me or not is just for fun. If I want a fast fuking car and kill a lot of cars get a mustang with huge turbos and have a nice day. It’s not about who wins or not to me I don’t take it to seriously. Some people take that **** to the heart. But I will tell you just remember there will always be someone faster than you any day!!!!! So just fucken run it and stfu if you want to be the fastest get a hooked up car and call it a day. I drive my car all day every day I don’t baby them.


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He can run race gas!!! Tuned!!! He had exhaust system. Again my traction was on. Once my traction was completely I was running good number 143 145. Again I ran my car 50 times he ran his car 4 times. His my boy at the end of the day he beat me no excuses but he’s smart he knows when to run his car he would do 2 runs and wait for the car to cool off for 2 hrs I didn’t care. Also I don’t care who beats me or not is just for fun. If I want a fast fuking car and kill a lot of cars get a mustang with huge turbos and have a nice day. It’s not about who wins or not to me I don’t take it to seriously. Some people take that **** to the heart. But I will tell you just remember there will always be someone faster than you any day!!!!! So just fucken run it and stfu if you want to be the fastest get a hooked up car and call it a day. I drive my car all day every day I don’t baby them.


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😥WAAAAAA

 

Remember he supports gintani [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848][emoji848][emoji848] he can say whatever he wants his car is not stock period!!!!!!!


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For someone who "doesn't care" about the result sure don't sound like it. LOL.

Enjoyed watching the video, I've owned faster cars than the R8 before. Run what you brung and have fun.

 

For someone who "doesn't care" about the result sure don't sound like it. LOL.

Enjoyed watching the video, I've owned faster cars than the R8 before. Run what you brung and have fun.

I honestly don’t


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Your traction control wasn’t detuning your car at 40mph roll race or taking away any timing ........maybe if it was wet you could get some wheels spin but in This video it looked sunny and dry. Also I would like to know what is not stock on the plus car....like someone else said ...besides forced induction of sort...an exhaust and maybe some better flowing Air filters is the only couple things I can think of.🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Uk magazine test LOL . Just stop please . you really think a heavier less powerful non plus car is quicker Haa Haaa .
Most likely a some kind of journalist sitting behind a desk pulled those numbers out of his ass

 

Uk magazine test LOL . Just stop please . you really think a heavier less powerful non plus car is quicker Haa Haaa .
Most likely a some kind of journalist sitting behind a desk pulled those numbers out of his ass

Its a data point, you really think a shorter fourth gear and ceramic brakes would cause a car to get gapped like its short 50+hp? Please I've been doing this a long time from Evos to M3s to GTRs and back again. Again the point here is that VF tune is clearly not doing what its supposed to, even VF states that the base cars they've tuned are faster than a stock plus....

 

Vf tune makes 50 whp, I know that because I have one and verified dyno gains to go with. It's the gearing 100%, there is nothing mystical going on here......

 

^ Now that shows the gearing well!

 

You didn't post a screen shot of testing showing the base doing a better 1/4mi? .......

 

Sure and I believe I asked in that test where the advantage from the ratios was, did I not? I wasnt arguing the car with more hp was slower.

 

There is not a difference in ONE gear (as you keep saying only 4th is different), but a difference of FIVE gears, which is significant..... Gears 3-7 are different in the Plus, resulting in faster, more urgent acceleration, even with same power.

V10 (non-plus)
First Gear Ratio )3.13
Second Gear Ratio )2.59

Third Gear Ratio )1.96

Fourth Gear Ratio )1.24
Fifth Gear Ratio )0.98
Sixth Gear Ratio )0.98
Seventh Gear Ratio )0.84

V10 PLUS
First Gear Ratio )3.13
Second Gear Ratio )2.59

Third Gear Ratio )1.88

Fourth Gear Ratio )1.14
Fifth Gear Ratio )0.90
Sixth Gear Ratio )0.88
Seventh Gear Ratio )0.65

 

The advantages are in the shorter gear ratios... 5 shorter gears. It's not hard to understand, what do you need help with?

 

Here you go bud knock yourself out, to be clear no one is racing in 6th and 7th gear so you can throw those out.

The first and second gears on the Plus and non-Plus are IDENTICAL. Therefore, there is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER UNTIL ABOVE 69 MPH. The difference in the third gear is minimal, and only results in a couple hundred RPM difference after the shift. With both the Plus and the non-Plus, the engine remains firmly in its sweet sport after the shift from second to third gear. The difference in the fourth gear is ever smaller.

Audi did NOT change the gearing on the Plus to improve straight-line acceleration. Rather, Audi slightly changed the gearing on the Plus for track driving. The slightly different third and fourth gears enable the car to maintain slightly higher RPMs with the same throttle input, which is beneficial for track driving and acceleration out of turns. The Plus suspension is also designed for improved track driving.

This video is particularly insightful:

The video depicts a side-by-side straight line race between a Plus and a non-Plus. The Plus is .50 seconds faster to 60 mph. The gearing is identical from 0 to 60 mph. Therefore, the .5 second difference is due entirely to the 70 additional HP in the Plus. From 60 to 100 mph, the non-Plus is .10 seconds faster. You read that correctly -- the non-Plus picks up .10 second from 60 to 100 mph. Yet, that is the range where the cars have different gearing. I am not saying that the non-Plus gearing is more advantageous for straight line performance, but it certainly is not disadvantageous. If the different gearing provided an advantage for the Plus in straight line performance, the non-Plus would not have picked up .10 second from 60 to 100 mph (exactly when the gearing changed). To the contrary, the Plus – with 70 additional HP – would have continued to pull away from the non-Plus from 60 to 100 mph. The Plus reaches one kilometer .60 seconds faster than the non-Plus. However, the vast majority of this .60 second gap is achieved before 60 mph, during which the gearing is identical. When the gearing changes above 69 mph, the Plus is not picking up much time. In fact, over 60 mph, the Plus picks up much less time than I would expect given the 70 HP difference. A 70 HP advantage should be worth more than .10 seconds between 60 mph and 160 MPH. The Plus is going 6 mph faster at one kilometer, and will likely pick-up more time between 160-200 mph (my days of driving that fast are long behind me). Again, this is due to the 70 additional HP.

Based on the foregoing, the slightly different third and fourth gears do not appear to provide any benefit to the Plus in a straight-line race. To the contrary, the Plus achieves its straight-line advantage based solely on the 70 additional HP. Moreover, given the .10 second gain achieved by the non-Plus over the Plus between 60-100 mph, one could argue that the different gearing over 69 mph is a disadvantage for the Plus in a straight line race. I am NOT making this argument.

In a straight line race, there is no throttle variation; rather, the driver simply mashes the gas pedal. Therefore, when the shifts occur, the throttle is wide open and the rpms continue to climb immediately after the shift. Track driving/performance is, of course, an entirely different animal. On a track, most shifts occur at something less than WOT, and the rpms do not climb at the same pace following the shift. Therefore, there is a meaningful advantage to landing at a slightly higher rpm following a shift. The slightly higher rpm provides better throttle response and better acceleration out of a turn. On a track, the Plus gearing will provide improved performance over the non-Plus. That is exactly what Audi intended with the different gearing.

 

Can we all agree that the R8 Plus is faster😏

 

Wow, this is an interesting conversation. Great video also.


I would like to add can we all agree on world peace?

 

LMAO the pissing contest. V10 Plus is a better car. I've driven base and plus back to back. Base gearing is TALL. 7th my RPMs in the plus sit higher than where they are in 6th on the base. When pushing over 600HP a 20HP difference between cars is almost negligible. Better gearing better acceleration. Let the turd slinging fest continue here!!! 🤣

 

No ones arguing the plus isnt the better car than the base, just pointing out that VF tune sucks.

 

^ Ha too true. I have no skin in the game at all, I row my own gears

 

I can only comment on 2020 R8 performance and base driven side by side same gear same speed. The gearing is identical for the 2020 R8 between both versions- they use the ratios from the previous base. Ie tall 7th gear. Although it was a coupe performance vs base spyder ( spyder heavier but did have ceramics) and once the cars hit 6500 rpm the performance pulled away every time regardless of gear. Thus the horsepower makes a difference. Which should imply that a tune makes a difference on the base as well.

 

Didn’t North American 2020 r8 Performances retain their old engine and tranny? Only the European 2020s performances have the longer gearing.

 

Here’s another race with a similar car like op

 

I would race again and see. Loose or win don’t matter to me. You won that race no doubt about it.


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This thread is going nowhere without dyno sheets of the exact cars in the video, or two cars dyno’d and then raced with GPS draggy units.

Too many subjective opinions/anecdotes/variables, not enough objective data/evidence.

Can we move on now please.